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Turtlestitch is great for small scale embroidery. But can it be used for other fiber arts domains like quilting? In pursuit of an answer I've explored turtle geometry, cartesian solutions and most recently event driven data capture. This lightening talk will demonstrate where turtles prevail as both a pedagogical and functionally useful tool. But it will also suggest that bridges to task often called 'advanced' in both fiber art and computer programming may be problematic with turtles. This quick presentation will provide a half dozen small projects: (1) pure turtle, (2) pure cartesian, (3) pure data capture, (4) turtles with cartesian, (5) turtles and data capture, (6) cartesian and data capture. Of course there will be commentary on how keeping an open mind about purpose and pedagogy allows the student to define their own goals while learning powerful ideas in fiber arts, computer science and math. Full turtlestitch projects used in this presentation will be labeled as "SnapShotNN" at https://turtlestitch.org/users/ursulawolz or email ursula.wolz@gmail.com